A totally new 8mm camera?

[MovieStuff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt Pacini:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by MovieStuff:
"Any film can be ordered from Kodak directly in virtually any length."

Roger, even in Super 8???

Matt Pacini
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If it's already a super 8 stock, sure. How do you think labs that printed super 8 got their stock? In fact, ordering super 8 on a core with no mag should be cheaper. I should think Kodak would encourage it. Who knows, if they don't have to cartridge anything, they might decide to bring back other emmulsions like ECO stock.

Roger

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
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[Dominic3]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MovieStuff:
[B] Yes and yes. In fact, the whole idea behind using the transport off a projector is the ability to have a real loop, real pressure plate, reel to reel advantages such as longer runs and unlimited backwind. The use of M42 lenses would mean a ton of room between the lens and the film plane, which means I could insert an internal bloop frame for slating the beginning and end of each take".

That is why I love using my Beaulieu MR8 Reflex Control ( later model regular 8 camera) with ground glass focussing Angeniuex 6.5mm - 56mm zoom and manual fades/ backwind, having reel to reel rather than a cassette has it's advantages. And it accepts Bolex H8 size interchangable lenses. Incidentally Roger you may like to take a look at one of these cameras it may give you some ideas and it's made of alluminium. I can email you photos if you are interested.

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[MovieStuff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominic3:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by MovieStuff:
Incidentally Roger you may like to take a look at one of these cameras it may give you some ideas and it's made of alluminium. I can email you photos if you are interested.
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Sure, send 'm on. The thing is that I would want to base the new camera on something that I can buy cheap (under $100) and have a plentiful supply of. To call them "new" cameras is really somewhat of a misnomer, but, I think you all get my meaning.

Thanks!

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
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[mattias]

> Just a thought...
> How about double double regular 8?
> As in, using the 16mm wide gauge, but with the frame height unchanged.

i had this idea too, an so did many people it seems. we've been discussing it on the filmshooting board and it seems the easiest solution to this is to use a matte in the gate, masking off the bottom half, run the film through, then flip it, double 8 style, and run it through again. you'd obviously have to optically print it or transfer to video for editing though...

/matt

[MovieStuff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mattias:
> Just a thought...
> How about double double regular 8?

i had this idea too,.... and it seems the easiest solution to this
/matt<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess my only concerns are three:

1) The (un?)common availability of the cameras

2) The significantly larger sprocket hole, which eats up valuable image area

3) In the order of probable extinction, would any "regular 8" film be the first to go before super 8 stocks?

Otherwise, the thought had occured to me. I'll keep an open mind.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html

[#Pedro]

Good idea Roger!

As everybody seems to want another frame ratio, why not offer different models for differnt frame ratio, or interchangeable gates? One for "standard S8" (for those old-fashioned ones like me, who LOVE a projected film image), another for widened gate in this or that ratio...

I would not like to miss at least a 1/frame contact for sound sync, or better a 1000 Hz generator just in-built, or even best an in-built blue-tooth 1000 Hz transmitter and a fitting receiver for the sound recording device.

Obviously, a real ground glass focussing is a must in S8, best with a Beaulieu-like mirror shutter, for 100% light on film and into viewfinder.

An in-built TTL exposure meter with free ASA setting and LED-indication in the viewfinder...

Several framerates and single frame mode...

variable shutter with several settings...

reverse mode with frame counter for in-camera-tricks.

What?s about M42 lenses? Are there REALLY M42 lenses around, which are as short as 6, 10 or 15 mm for the small S8 format?

Good luck,

Pedro

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[Cranium]

Mattias wrote :
"it seems the easiest solution to this is to use a matte in the gate, masking off the bottom half, run the film through, then flip it, double 8 style, and run it through again."

Ouch! How could you make CERTAIN you lined the frames up right?


On the disappearing filmstock side, it seems like once S8 carts are gone, they'll be gone fer good (I know they can be made to be reused...)
But at least D8 or whichever name you like can be made. Kodak stopped making the stuff, right? But there's still supply from Europe. And if S8Sound can make S8 from 35mm stocks, it seems like one could make new D8 stocks from it. Like I said, it's a thought. And yes, those big sprocket holes eat up real estate, but the image could be plenty wide nonetheless (or you could use DS8 stock, but that's a bit tougher to find)
And I have no basis other than my own twisted logic for this, but isn't larger sprocket holes kind of a good thing?

OK< since I'm in rant mode this morning, howsabout using real 16MM stock, and figuring out a claw that could advance 1/2 frame at a time. Then there's LOTS of stocks to use. I'll buy a camera body and WP4 if'n you can pull this one off! And toss in a 3-D adapter, as well.


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[mattias]

> Ouch! How could you make CERTAIN you lined the frames up right?

last time i checked, 16 mm film had sprocket holes for this... maybe you're thinking of using double-8 film? well, then i guess you would have to mark the starting frame, rewind, skip one frame and run again.

or did you mean the matte? an accurate "sliding metal measuring gadget" (or whatever a "skjutm?tt" is called in english, i don't know) and some trial and error should take you a long way.

/matt

[Matt Pacini]

Roger, the lenses and the noise are my biggest concerns.

I think it's going to be touch to find a good wide angle lens.
Even the Peleng is only 8mm, which in Super 8, is NOT very wide angle.
I'd rather have a 4mm or 5mm, but man, where ya gonna find something like that?

Matt Pacini

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[Actor]

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Just a thought... How about double double regular 8? As in, using the 16mm wide gauge, but with the frame height unchanged. Figured I'd throw it out there, since the stock aleady exists, is easily accesible, and it doesn't seem like it'd be THAT much more monumental of an undertaking that what's been proposed. Probably start with a modified K-3? Or and H8. The economy over 16mm could still be achieved, and you'd have a WIIIDE image.
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How about double double super 8. The double super 8 Boxexs and Canons are modified 16mm cameras. A DDS8 camera and projector should be no big deal for a qualified camera tech.

Plus the film already exists for DS8 too.

Kodak tells me they can provide DS8 film in any emulsion they have: 50D, 200T, 800T, whatever, provided that they have it in a 16mm stock AND provided that I BUY THE ENTIRE PRODUCTION RUN. How much film is in a production run I do not know.



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